Experimenting with HHO (hydrogen on demand)

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Post Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:29 pm

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I found this article in today's Sun which I thought those of you in the UK would like to read.
Basically this is exactly what I have been defining in my posts.
This technology will definitely catch on given the price of petrol & the economy.
Enjoy!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/motors/phil_lanning/2848061/Nissans-power-on-tap.html
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Post Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:32 pm

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Thanks Andy
A very good read.
Please keep up the good work and posting of your work, I for one appreciate it.
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Post Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:32 am

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£800 price tag to nearly half your mpg is not bad ;)
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Post Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:11 pm

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cabrera
I saw this whilst on ebay, thought you might be interested.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 3D1&_rdc=1

Item number: 320478361781 if link above doesn't work
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Post Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:23 pm

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Gotwind Ben wrote:cabrera saw this whilst on ebay, thought you might be interested.


That's a decent little unit. It is similar to the ones I made with one exception. It looks like a dual PWM, able to control 2 HHO generators with the same unit. You would use 2 generators in either large displacement engines or high performance applications where you need to generate more HHO gas. The price is also good that would be about $32 USD.

Good find!
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Post Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:37 pm

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O2 Sensor Extender
Another component for the project. They are 18mm stainless steel adapter custom made to space out the front O2 sensor so it detects less exhaust flows and will lean the Air Fuel Ratio.
Running a HYDROGEN HHO generator in the car, without this extender, you'll get a check engine light, you need this part so the car still thinks it's reading proper exhaust flow. It's basically a simple adapter to space out the O2 sensor to eliminate check engine light, due to added flows by the HYDROGEN HHO generator.
One piece design will seal the exhaust pipe without using any washer and will not leak

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This is what they look like installed on the O2 sensor. Depending on the car is shouldn't be more than a 10 minute installation. You only need to install these on the O2 sensors after the manifolds. The O2 sensors after the catalytic converters are there to monitor results not make adjustments at the ECU.

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Post Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:24 pm

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EFIE: Electronic Fuel Injection Enhancer

I decided to take a different approach to the O2 sensors...an electronic solution. As I said in my previous post this can be done on a much more basic level by adding an oxygen sensor spacer or two. The O2 spacer pulls the sensor out of the exhaust gas flow, making it less sensitive, and causing the computer to lean the fuel mixture. The spacers are a mechanical solution and therefore not adjustable, some have great results, some not much. O2 spacers are cheap, easy to install, and fit many vehicles. One note, don’t buy spacers without metal gaskets, they may not seal properly. Spacers with tapered sides may wedge in your exhaust and become irremovable. Given the above I want to avoid generalities so I opted to control the electronics.

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This device is to modify the Oxygen (O2) sensors signal in fuel injected vehicles. EFIEs are the best solution for obtaining improved fuel efficiency in computer controlled vehicles with oxygen sensors. I bought this on Ebay as it was more economical to buy this than to make one.

If all you did was add an EFIE to your car, with no other fuel efficiency system, you may actually lose some efficiency. You might even damage your car, by over-leaning the fuel/air ratio, and overheating the valves. The EFIE was designed to make the car run according to spec after another fuel efficiency device has been installed.

With no modifications other than HHO, performance increase and smoother idle are immediate. However, when installing an HHO cell in a newer car more has be done to achieve significant mileage increases. After we introduce HHO gas the oxygen sensor reports a change in the exhaust gas makeup to the computer. The computer in turn tries to correct the perceived problem by dumping in extra fuel. This state usually turns on your check engine light, sets fault codes and puts the computer in a state called open loop. In open loop the computer stops modifying the fuel ratios and reverts to a “safe” mode. Safe mode dumps extra fuel. This can reduce the mileage benefits dramatically.

The EFIE will get us back to closed loop by adjusting the signal to the computer, thus allowing the correct adjustments for various driving conditions to be made. Basically, the oxygen sensor tells the computer it's oxygen readings by providing a voltage between 0 and 1 volt. In order to adjust this "data" the EFIE adds a small voltage to that delivered by the oxygen sensor. This added voltage compensates for the variation caused by HHO. This EFIE is highly adjustable. Adjustments to the trim screw can change the EFIE's voltage correction by tiny amounts; a millivolt or 2 (.001 volt).

This EFIE (Electronic Fuel Injection Enhancer) circuit board will modify the O2 sensor signal, and is adjustable. This circuit board installs inline between the oxygen sensor and computer. This device requires a higher degree of skill and automotive knowledge to install. An EFIE board will be required for each precatalytic converter sensor. There are single boards for vehicles with one precat O2 sensor and dual boards for vehicles with two precat O2 sensors. Some vehicles have more than two precat sensors; in these cases more than one board will be necessary. Some vehicles now utilize a new kind of exhaust sensor referred to as a wideband or AFR. These sensors began appearing around 2000 in the USA. A narrow band EFIE will NOT properly adjust a wide band signal. A narrow band o2 sensor operates on a change in voltage and a wide band sensor uses amperage to relay its signal.
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Post Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:24 pm

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All interesting research/experimentation Andy.
Whilst this is not my area of knowledge, I suspect Google amongst other search engines will pick up all your 'keywords' and you will have many followers in time.

Keep up the good work..
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Post Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:07 pm

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Gotwind Ben wrote:All interesting research/experimentation Andy.
Whilst this is not my area of knowledge, I suspect Google amongst other search engines will pick up all your 'keywords' and you will have many followers in time.

Keep up the good work..


Thank You Ben,
With the exception of wire,reinforced hose, and less inclement weather, I will be installing the system on my Truck this spring. I have been keeping track of my mileage using a scanguage 2 for the last 10 months so I'll be able to provide a baseline mileage and exact mpg improvement figures. It will be a "real life" experiment.

All the research & experimentation in the world is nothing without beneficial results! :D I can only imagine what this setup could do in one of the diesel sipping vehicle over there!!!
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Post Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:10 pm

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I started putting in components yesterday. I want to make it look like it's OEM.
The way I see it, the Trac is big enough to fit all of the gas components behind the grill.
I was able to put the reservoir, cell, bubbler & pump behind the grill.
So far I have the reservoir & cell in. I'm not too crazy about the look of the reservoir tank though.
Maybe I should get something like this:

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Here's a few shots of the install so far

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The more I look at it, the more I think I gotta replace this tank.

Today my OCD got the best of me. I couldn't take the "orange juice container" look of the reservoir. I have the smaller 1.5qt unit coming in.
I made brackets for the cell out of aluminum stock. the bubbler with a flashport fits nicely in the corner of of the front grill mounted in a bicycle water bottle mounting bracket.

The only P.I.T.A was the mounting of the water pump. Drilling behind the trans cooler proved to be impossible, so I zip tied it to the radiator support.
New reservoir should be here by Saturday so I should have some time to start installing electronics.
Here's a few more shots

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